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Post by IronWithinRaptor on Mar 22, 2015 22:19:42 GMT
Hi guys,
Would any 40Kers be interested in a tournament? I have been looking into rules packs and would like to write my own, would most likely be 3 games and going by the 20-0 system. Would anyone be up for it?
Thanks,
John
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Post by diddypop on Mar 22, 2015 23:31:59 GMT
Sounds good to me!
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Post by lukusmaximis on Mar 23, 2015 9:27:25 GMT
I'd be interested, nut what is the 20-0 format
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Post by callmesimon on Mar 25, 2015 14:07:40 GMT
I'll be in for it - but whats the 20 - 0 format?
on a side note you seen that the Throne of Skulls 40K packs are up now on warhammer world site, new points limit is 1875 for the standard event.
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Post by lukusmaximis on Mar 25, 2015 22:19:19 GMT
Yeah got my ticket for Throne of skulls booked now just to get a list sorted!
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Post by callmesimon on Mar 26, 2015 16:09:18 GMT
After a while on google looking into the 20-0 system, seems it's the Battle Points system, where points are awarded depending on the margin of victory, 20-0 if it was one sided slaughter, 10 - 10 if it was an even battle, looking at how they are determined and awarded differs, but one of the common methods is Swiss Pairing to determine the winning brackets, then in event of ties within the bracket battle points used to distinguish. For example in a 8 player tournament with swiss pairings you end up after 3 games with 1 player with 3 wins (winner) 3 players with 2 wins 3 with 1 win 1 with 0 wins. So the 3 wins is the obvious winner, the 20-0 system comes into effect to distinguish the order of 2nd through 4th bracket and also 5th to 7th bracket. it can also be used after each round with the pairings, so after the first round where you have 4 winners and 4 losers, you can rank the 4 winners and make 1st play second, 3rd play 4th, so at each round your playing the person with the closest record to your own (after the first random round). On my googleing I did find a couple of useful references - a 40K tournament ran last year at michigangt.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Michigan-GT-2014-Primer-Missions-2.pdfalso warseer had a thread about it, it's for fantasy but gives you idea. www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?374136-20-0-scoring-system |
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Post by callmesimon on Mar 26, 2015 16:31:14 GMT
oh whilst i'm thinking about it. 3 games in a swiss pairing system should be enough to sort 8 players. the club can only have a max of 5 games going on, so 4 in use for a tournament would be good.
Starting at 11, with 2.5 houors per game, half hour gaps between rounds should give us enough time, the late start would be so people can turn up, provide army lists, get drawn for which table and such, so the timetable could easily look something like
11:00 - 13:30 Game 1
13:30 - 14:00 Lunch / round 2 draw
14:00 - 16:30 Game 2
16:30 - 17:00 Tea break / round 3 draw
17:00 - 19:30 Game 3.
Long day but seems do-able. also I'd like a couple of house rules on game length and such, any game of 3 turns or less that runs out of time is a loss to both players. if the game time is going to run out, each player must have had the same number of turns (30 minute warning needing).
Point wise - what do people want? and would it be Bound / Unbound? and any limits on organisation force charts or formations? Eternal war or Malestrom of war?
I'd assume that whatever mission is picked, it is the same for all the games of that round. just a few random thoughts.......
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Post by lukusmaximis on Mar 26, 2015 21:08:43 GMT
Personally I don't mind unbound id say no bigger than 1500pts as anything bigger and well struggle to get the games done.
I'd prefer eternal war but at the same time Malestrom wouldn't be the end of the world either and i could do with the practice as TOS are using malestrom.
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Post by IronWithinRaptor on Mar 31, 2015 10:52:28 GMT
The full 20-0 system is:
20 - 0 = Massacre Victory/ Massacred Loss (Table Opponent, Get all Objectives available within the game without your opponent recieveing any)
17 - 3 = Major Victory/ Major Loss ( Achieve 5+ more VP's than your opponent)
12 - 8 = Minor Victory/ Minor Loss ( Achieve 1-4 More VP's than your opponent)
10 - 10 = Draw (Achieve equal VP's with your opponent)
If games are 2:30, then I think they should be smaller than 1850, usually you get 3 hours for 1850 games, perhaps 1750 or 1650.
We can take a vote on to Malestrom or not to malestrom if you wish
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Post by IronWithinRaptor on Mar 31, 2015 11:49:03 GMT
I'd also say Bound armies would be preferred, as Unbound can be disastrous with what some people have in their collections. For all the FoC's I'd say something like 1 Cad, 1 Ally, 1 Formation and 1 Dataslate would give everyone a bounty of things to work with. Not sure if people would want Forge World allowed/disallowed/comped.
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Post by diddypop on Apr 2, 2015 6:43:32 GMT
Sounds fair, general consensus on FW models from everyone would be great. We can aim to have this start in May if people are game and we get the numbers  |
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Post by lukusmaximis on Apr 2, 2015 10:14:29 GMT
I personally think we should avoid forgeworld some of it can be so unbalanced particularly some of the older stuff, I dont however mind using it if everyone else is but would prefer gw rules publication only.
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Post by diddypop on Apr 2, 2015 17:04:21 GMT
I agree with Luke. GW only stuff would keep things slightly more balanced.
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Post by IronWithinRaptor on Apr 3, 2015 18:30:25 GMT
"...some of it can be so unbalanced..." Instantly hides his Quad Mortar unit. Haha, I don't mind None forgeworld, means my chaos are going to get sucker punched a lot more often but hey its fun |
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Post by diddypop on Apr 6, 2015 6:12:17 GMT
Dates wise I'm thinking the first full week in May, does that work well with most? I'll get a sign up sheet sorted and hang it up in the club.
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